Living a Life in Balance
Trauma Healing Begins with Safety
With Janina Fisher, PhD
Janina Fisher joins Abdullah Boulad to explore trauma, TIST, protective parts and why safety and self-compassion matter in recovery.

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Trauma Healing Begins with Safety
Janina Fisher, PhD
Inside this conversation
Why felt safety and stabilization matter in Janina’s approach to trauma.
Understanding protective parts without reducing a person to a diagnosis.
What Trauma-Informed Stabilization Treatment, or TIST, brings to the conversation.
More themes
- Mindful noticing, family relationships and co-regulation.
- Connecting addiction support with a broader understanding of emotional pain.
- Replacing self-rejection with curiosity, without overlooking safety or accountability.
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The guest
Janina Fisher, PhD
Janina Fisher is a licensed clinical psychologist, a former instructor at Harvard Medical School and the creator of TIST. Her work brings together trauma-informed, mindfulness-based and body-oriented perspectives. Her books include Healing the Fragmented Selves of Trauma Survivors and Transforming the Living Legacy of Trauma. Her official website also presents Embracing Our Fragmented Selves, a workbook for survivors and therapists. See her professional biography and book catalogue.
From the host
Reflections on the conversation
What stayed with me from this conversation
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What stands out to me is the difference between understanding why a reaction exists and demanding that it disappear. Janina invites us to look at distress through the lens of survival. A response that now feels confusing may once have served a protective purpose.
That perspective is not an excuse for harmful behavior, and it does not make every difficult experience a trauma. It changes the question we bring to ourselves: instead of starting with what is wrong, we can become interested in what has been difficult and what support is needed now.
Safety before pressure to tell the whole story
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Janina describes why her work begins with stabilization rather than an immediate invitation to recount the most painful experiences. Her emphasis is on helping a person notice what is happening in the present and develop a less frightening relationship with it.
I hear an important distinction here: being able to describe an event is not necessarily the same as feeling able to live with its effects. Listening carefully also means respecting pace, consent and the person’s ability to remain engaged.
What TIST means in this discussion
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Trauma-Informed Stabilization Treatment is the model Janina developed to work with trauma-related responses and different parts of experience. She describes influences from several approaches, including somatic work and Internal Family Systems, while explaining her own emphasis on stabilization.
Her official description of TIST sets out a phase-oriented process encompassing stabilization, memory processing and integration, guided by readiness and consent. Starting with safety does not mean that memories must never be addressed. Nor does this interview establish that one model is the right choice for everyone.
Meeting protective parts with curiosity
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One thread running through the episode is the possibility of changing our relationship with reactions we dislike. Fear, withdrawal or anger can feel like enemies when they interrupt the life we are trying to build. Janina asks what becomes possible when we first try to understand their protective role.
This language of parts is a therapeutic framework, not a diagnosis. For me, its value in this conversation is the invitation to be less punitive toward ourselves while remaining responsible for how we act toward others.
Family relationships and the experience of being supported
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We discuss how older wounds can become active in present relationships, and why feeling supported by another person matters in Janina’s understanding of recovery. The conversation about co-regulation moves attention beyond the individual working alone to change.
There is also a boundary worth keeping clear: a partner or family member is not a replacement for professional care, and understanding a reaction does not require accepting mistreatment. Compassion and appropriate limits belong in the same conversation.
Looking beyond separate labels
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Janina’s account of her father’s recovery gives the discussion of addiction a personal dimension. She reflects on how learning more about his early life changed her understanding of his difficulties. This is her family’s experience, not a universal explanation of addiction.
We also consider the separation between addiction services and mental-health care. Her perspective encourages us to ask what might be missed when support focuses on one part of a person’s experience without considering the rest.
A compassionate perspective, held alongside evidence
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The closing invitation is to become curious about the parts of ourselves we find hardest to welcome. I take this as a reflective starting point, not a demand to attempt difficult trauma work alone or push through overwhelming feelings.
Clinical decisions need more than an engaging interview. NICE guidance on PTSD includes trauma-focused CBT and, in appropriate circumstances, EMDR, alongside attention to trust, safety and individual needs. The episode offers Janina’s perspective; it does not replace assessment or establish comparative treatment effectiveness.
The full transcript
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